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[ALAC] ALAC voting processes

I will not be able to join the meeting this week, but I wanted to put
my comments on the "vote" decision here. They will not come as a
surprise to those who have heard me talk about this before.

We use BigPulse to "emulate" voting in person in a public meeting
with others present in the room. We should make every effort to come
as close to the face-to-face vote as possible.

That means:
- As the vote is proceeding, we can see how many people have voted.
- As the vote is proceeding, we can see who has voted.
- As the vote is proceeding, we can see how each person has voted.
- The order of the options should NOT change as the vote proceeds.
- Outsiders who cannot vote can look at the interim results.

I see no reason to allow people to change their vote given the short
time we have for voting, but I have no really strong feelings about
this. In a face-to-face vote, one can raise their hand a bit late, or
lower it before the hands are counted.

I think that the visibility of such a pole will encourage everyone to
vote, and allow others in a region to "remind" people who have not yet voted.

Alan

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[ALAC] ALAC voting processes

Here here.

I think Alan has made excellent points below.

D

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[ALAC] ALAC voting processes

Very sensible to me!
Carlton

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Alan Greenberg
wrote:
> I will not be able to join the meeting this week, but I wanted to put my
> comments on the "vote" decision here. They will not come as a surprise to
> those who have heard me talk about this before.
>
> We use BigPulse to "emulate" voting in person in a public meeting with
> others present in the room. We should make every effort to come as close to
> the face-to-face vote as possible.
>
> That means:
> - As the vote is proceeding, we can see how many people have voted.
> - As the vote is proceeding, we can see who has voted.
> - As the vote is proceeding, we can see how each person has voted.
> - The order of the options should NOT change as the vote proceeds.
> - Outsiders who cannot vote can look at the interim results.
>
> I see no reason to allow people to change their vote given the short time we
> have for voting, but I have no really strong feelings about this. In a
> face-to-face vote, one can raise their hand a bit late, or lower it before
> the hands are counted.
>
> I think that the visibility of such a pole will encourage everyone to vote,
> and allow others in a region to "remind" people who have not yet voted.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
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Alan, I don't have any strong objections to what you're proposing,
but would just like to know why:

- As the vote is proceeding, we can see how each person has voted.

My preference is for information about how people voted to only be
disclosed once the vote has ended.

I know people should not be swayed by how others have voted, but I
think it human nature that some might be (might be.) As we agree
people should not be allowed to change their vote (recognizing need
to avoid ambiguous questions we've had occasionally in the past) I
don't see any benefit in disclosure while the vote is progressing.

About the call. I will join, but after about an hour (15:00) may need
to switch phones to a mobile. I need to leave the call shortly after
15:30. Any votes in the first hour please.

Thanks,

Adam

At 2:47 AM -0400 5/25/09, Alan Greenberg wrote:
>I will not be able to join the meeting this week, but I wanted to
>put my comments on the "vote" decision here. They will not come as a
>surprise to those who have heard me talk about this before.
>
>We use BigPulse to "emulate" voting in person in a public meeting
>with others present in the room. We should make every effort to come
>as close to the face-to-face vote as possible.
>
>That means:
>- As the vote is proceeding, we can see how many people have voted.
>- As the vote is proceeding, we can see who has voted.
>- As the vote is proceeding, we can see how each person has voted.
>- The order of the options should NOT change as the vote proceeds.
>- Outsiders who cannot vote can look at the interim results.
>
>I see no reason to allow people to change their vote given the short
>time we have for voting, but I have no really strong feelings about
>this. In a face-to-face vote, one can raise their hand a bit late,
>or lower it before the hands are counted.
>
>I think that the visibility of such a pole will encourage everyone
>to vote, and allow others in a region to "remind" people who have
>not yet voted.
>
>Alan
>
>
>
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At 25/05/2009 05:05 AM, Adam Peake wrote:
>Alan, I don't have any strong objections to what you're proposing,
>but would just like to know why:
>
>- As the vote is proceeding, we can see how each person has voted.
>
>My preference is for information about how people voted to only be
>disclosed once the vote has ended.
>
>I know people should not be swayed by how others have voted, but I
>think it human nature that some might be (might be.) As we agree
>people should not be allowed to change their vote (recognizing need
>to avoid ambiguous questions we've had occasionally in the past) I
>don't see any benefit in disclosure while the vote is progressing.

Adam, I can live with not disclosing how people voted until the vote
has ended, but I really don't see the need for it. We are emulating a
face-to-face vote, where it is easy to see how people are voting as
it happens, and yes, in a role-call vote or in raising hands, one may
be influenced by those who go before. I don't necessarily see that as
a bad thing.

Alan

>About the call. I will join, but after about an hour (15:00) may
>need to switch phones to a mobile. I need to leave the call shortly
>after 15:30. Any votes in the first hour please.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Adam
>
>
>
>At 2:47 AM -0400 5/25/09, Alan Greenberg wrote:
>>I will not be able to join the meeting this week, but I wanted to
>>put my comments on the "vote" decision here. They will not come as
>>a surprise to those who have heard me talk about this before.
>>
>>We use BigPulse to "emulate" voting in person in a public meeting
>>with others present in the room. We should make every effort to
>>come as close to the face-to-face vote as possible.
>>
>>That means:
>>- As the vote is proceeding, we can see how many people have voted.
>>- As the vote is proceeding, we can see who has voted.
>>- As the vote is proceeding, we can see how each person has voted.
>>- The order of the options should NOT change as the vote proceeds.
>>- Outsiders who cannot vote can look at the interim results.
>>
>>I see no reason to allow people to change their vote given the
>>short time we have for voting, but I have no really strong feelings
>>about this. In a face-to-face vote, one can raise their hand a bit
>>late, or lower it before the hands are counted.
>>
>>I think that the visibility of such a pole will encourage everyone
>>to vote, and allow others in a region to "remind" people who have
>>not yet voted.
>>
>>Alan
>>
>>
>>
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